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    Are Orcs and Goblins Different in Middle-Earth? – Let’s Get Nerdy!

    Ashley Victoria RobinsonBy Ashley Victoria RobinsonNovember 29, 20236 Mins Read

    Free Range Games recently released brand new Lord of the Rings video game – Return to Moria! Since the SAG-AFTRA strike is still in place and struck work is still struck I want to dive in and explore some of the characters and important features of gameplay for you in the new game. We want all Spoilerites to have the best playing experience possible and have the widest knowledge base about the Fourth Age of Middle-Earth. This is a weekly Let’s Get Nerdy article series highlighting a different piece of Tolkien I think you need to know about!

    A few weeks ago I wrote about Cave Trolls who play a pretty significant part as foes in Return to Moria. Cave Trolls serve the role of minor bosses throughout the gameplay and below them as “annoyances at best” (think Goombas in any Mario game – btw if you’re not playing Super Mario Bros. Wonder I highly recommend!), are characters called Orcs.

    Orcs are very much present in J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings canon. Eagle-eyed Spoilerties who are familiar with the work will also know when it comes to Moria, Khazad-dûm, The Lonely Mountain, and other subterranean dwellings often have similar monsters which tend to be referred to as “Goblins”.

    So, Ashley, what’s the difference?

    Well, Spoilerite, I’m so pleased you asked!

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    Orcs in Return to Moria

    To muddy the water a touch, J.R.R. Tolkien, himself, seems to address this in the opening to The Hobbit:

    Orc is not an English word. It occurs in one or two places [in The Hobbit]but is usually translated goblin (or hobgoblin for the larger kinds).

    Bilbo Baggins, Thorin Oakenshield, and the rest of the company use the word Golin quite liberally, whereas in The Lord of the Rings, Frodo Baggins and The Fellowship of the Ring lean more heavily on the word Orc.

    Honestly, Orc is a much scarier-sounding word. I can understand the pivot made by Tolkien as the tone from The Hobbit to The Lord of the Rings trilogy shifts into a much darker, more dramatic, and more serious tone.

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    Orcs in Return to Moria

    TL;DR: Mountain-dwelling Orcs are colloquially referred to as “Goblins” in J.R.R. Tolkien’s Middle-Earth.

    Slightly deeper TL;DR the Orcs our POV characters encounter in the Misty Mountains or the northern regions of Middle-Earth. 

    For those who may be wondering the Uruk-Hai come later and are a completely different subsection of Orcish creature altogether. That’s something we may get into at another time here on Let’s Get Nerdy! to be determined … when I arrange my headcanon (and let it be known my belief about fandom above all else is to Make Your Own Continuity), I think of the Orcs as being the baddies who live above the ground and the Goblins as being the baddies who live underground. 

    In past articles I have answered the question: 

      • What Are the Rings of Power?
      • What is Númenor?
      • What is the Second Age?
      • Who are the Harfoots?
      • Who is Prince Durin IV?
      • What is Khazad-dûm?
      • Who is Celebrimbor?
      • What is the Last Alliance of Men and Elves?
      • Who is Elendil?
      • New Pics! Who are Bronwyn and Theo?
      • What is Rivendell?
      • The Rings of Power First Reactions Are In!
      • What is Lindon?
      • What are the Nine Human Rings? 
      • Empire Magazine’s The Rings of Power Covers
      • New Character Pictures
      • Will Wizards Appear in The Rings of Power?
      • New Promo for The Rings of Power
      • What is Eregion?
      • Leaked! Rings of Power Trailer Breakdown
      • The Rings of Power Teaser Breakdown
      • New EW Rings of Power Pictures
      • SDCC Rings of Power Trailer Breakdown
      • Who is Isildur?
      • The Rings of Power is Here! Read the Reactions
      • Who is the Stranger?
      • Who is Queen Míriel?
      • Who is Ar-Pharazôn? 
      • What is the broken black blade?
      • What is Mordor?
      • What is Mithril?
      • What are the Silmarils?
      • What is Narsil?
      • Who founded Númenor?
      • Who is Galadriel’s Brother Finrod?
      • Rings of Power Adds 15 New Cast Members for Season 2
      • Who is Círdan?
      • Will Celeborn Appear in The Rings of Power?
      • Are Galadriel and Sauron Enemies in Book Canon?
      • Who is Narvi?
      • Jamie Bisping Cast as Viran
      • Will the Harfoots Settle The Shire?
      • What to Watch Before The Rings of Power Season 2
      • Will We See More Rings in The Rings of Power Season 2?
      • Will Lord Belzagar Appear in The Rings of Power Season 2?
      • Who is Diarmid?
      • Will Ringwraiths appear in The Rings of Power Season 2?
      • Will Gil-Galad Lead an Army in The Rings of Power Season 2?
      • Is the Balrog Durin’s Bane?
      • Who is Isildur’s sister Eärien?
      • What is Rhûn Where Nori & The Stranger are Headed?
      • Will Galadriel Go Dark in The Rings of Power Season 2?
      • Where are the Southlanders Going?
      • Is Durin Still a Prince?
      • How Eärien will use the Palantir in The Rings of Power Season 2
      • Is the Rings of Power close to canon? Will it get closer in Season 2?
      • What is The War of the Elves and Sauron?
      • Who are the Three New Rings of Power Cast Members? Ciarán Hinds, Rory Kinnear and Tanya Moodie
      • Who are the Three Witches Trying to Rescue Sauron?
      • Rings of Power season 2 Reportedly Wraps Filming
      • Nenya will Appear in The Rings of Power season 2
      • Will We see Shelob in The Rings of Power season 2?
      • How Celeborn Could Appear in The Rings of Power season 2
      • Will The Rings of Power be at San Diego Comic-Con?
      • How are Hobbits and Harfoots Different?
      • Who is Galadriel?
      • What are Noldor Elves?
      • Who are “Durin’s Folk”?
      • What are the Seven Dwarf-Lord Rings?
      • How did Humans come to Middle-Earth?
      • Who is High King Gil-Galad?
      • What are Sindar Elves?
      • What is Hobbit Day?
      • Finding all the Lord of the Rings at New York Comic Con
      • Who are the Rohirrim?
      • New Lord of the Rings Video Game – Return to Moria – is Here!
      • Who is Gimli, son of Glóin?
      • What is the Fourth Age of Middle-Earth?
      • What are Cave Trolls?
      • Why does the Bridge of Khazad-dûm Matter?

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