Marvel has released a slew of new images from the upcoming Captain America: The First Avenger movie that look really great. Take the jump for the images in all their glory.
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The effects to do the “skinny Steve” and the resemblance that they have with the actor playing Howard Stark to Robert Downey makes even more reasons I want to see this one.
I’m still worried about this whole “no nazis” thing. How can you do a proper WW2 movie with no nazis? And look! They’re clearly doing a “hail hydra” thing to intentionally avoid a “heil hitler”. I’m just saying, Nazis make for some of the greatest film villains, I don’t understand why they’re working so hard to not show them in the film. It seems corny, and gives me grave doubts for the rest of the film. I’ve heard similar discussions about this same tactic used recently in Marvel’s Avengers cartoon as well, but in a live action movie for grown ups, it just seems strange.
Yes, I know about Hydra, I know it’s in continuity, but that still doesn’t change my point.
I’m still worried about this whole “no nazis” thing. How can you do a proper WW2 movie with no nazis?
I believe that they’re much less worried about a proper movie than in a movie that will have the greatest world-wide appeal. Having a film that won’t be shown in parts of Europe will hinder that plan.
S far as I know, there’s no restrictions on hoeing nazis in movies, just restrictions on why can be displayed on the posters. I remember reading about how they had to change the marketing for Inglorious Basterds in Germany, but didnt have to alter the film itself. So as Lon as there’s no swastikas on the poster, theyre fine. So I still don’t see a reason that outweighs the negatives. It’s not like it’s that taboo. There are ins of WW2 movies that do great worldwide every year or two.
Right, but do you think German’s want to watch another movie where “they” are the bad guys? It can maybe be more of a financial success over there if they remove a real black mark on history for a fictitious group that hopefully evokes similar feelings but leaves many more people free from that feeling of being shown again and again that their people allowed Nazism to happen there.
It makes sense to me, plus if it’s Hydra they can do what they want with history without having too many things to have to work around because you could just look up what was going on in Germany within the Nazi party on any given time period, here, there’s no built in history other than what they decide to give them.
Gremany is a pretty small market, and I don’t see a reason why this film has to be the one to draw the line, after Defiance, Valkyrie, Inglorious Basterds, Atonement, etc, all within the past couple of years. I think it’s really a non-issue.
And once you throw the Red Skull into things, I don’t think anyone is going to be questioning the historical accuracy of the Nazi plots. They never have before in Hellboy or Indiana Jones.
My point being: Nazis make for great iconic villains. The public relates and reacts to them, they have a reference point. I think Hydra might come off as silly, a little too G.I. Joe and not enough Indiana Jones. The scene that worries me is watching them on the motorcycles, and when he punches into the submarine. But I’ll only really be bothered if it’s a blatant attempt to avoid showing swastikas, which would be denying a large part of actual history as well as Cap’s history. But if it’s seamless, and done well in the story, I won’t mind. But it worries me. Those sort of (studio) decisions easy mount up to ruin a movie.
One – I didn’t know Truman Capote had anything to do with Cap.
Two – If there are indeed no Nazis in this then that is as stupid as it gets. After all, fighting the Nazis was Captain America’s raison d’être , hence his punching out Hitler on the cover of the first issue.
I guess my point is: Why jeopardize the quality of your whole move (and it’s total gross) to satisfy the tastes of one small market (Germany) that hasn’t stopped other WW2 films from doing well?
I think it makes some sense, regardless whether I agree that Nazi’s are a shorthand villain that require zero amount of work to set them up as bad guys. You already come in knowing that they are the enemy and you don’t have to spend any time villifying them, I understand that. It is a comic book movie though, and maybe they don’t really care one way or the other about Nazism in this decision, but maybe it’s solely so they can set up Hydra throughout the Marvel shared movie universe that can then be an ongoing and probably more believeable ongoing threat up to the modern day. I always get irritated when the villain of the movie in current day is some guy walking around wearing a Nazi uniform and nobody seems to take notice and the Third Reich somehow still has a footing in modern day. I get that Hydra would ultimately turn out the same way, probably, where it would have been nice to show them supporting the Nazi regime so that when it falls, the real masterminds could slink back down and re-emerge sometime later in Soviet Russia during the Cold War or somewhere where they can orchestrate events without being found out. I dunno though. I guess I’m not worried about a comic book movie that’s trying to be a mainstream movie for all ages (give or take I guess) to avoid throwing Nazi’s in the mix, regardless of Cap’s original origin.
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Have to say, It makes me want to see this even more. I still don’t know exactly how they did that skinny/puny Chris Evans so well.
The effects to do the “skinny Steve” and the resemblance that they have with the actor playing Howard Stark to Robert Downey makes even more reasons I want to see this one.
I’m sold. It only took the image of the Red Skull. Which is awesome!
I’m still worried about this whole “no nazis” thing. How can you do a proper WW2 movie with no nazis? And look! They’re clearly doing a “hail hydra” thing to intentionally avoid a “heil hitler”. I’m just saying, Nazis make for some of the greatest film villains, I don’t understand why they’re working so hard to not show them in the film. It seems corny, and gives me grave doubts for the rest of the film. I’ve heard similar discussions about this same tactic used recently in Marvel’s Avengers cartoon as well, but in a live action movie for grown ups, it just seems strange.
Yes, I know about Hydra, I know it’s in continuity, but that still doesn’t change my point.
I’m still worried about this whole “no nazis” thing. How can you do a proper WW2 movie with no nazis?
I believe that they’re much less worried about a proper movie than in a movie that will have the greatest world-wide appeal. Having a film that won’t be shown in parts of Europe will hinder that plan.
S far as I know, there’s no restrictions on hoeing nazis in movies, just restrictions on why can be displayed on the posters. I remember reading about how they had to change the marketing for Inglorious Basterds in Germany, but didnt have to alter the film itself. So as Lon as there’s no swastikas on the poster, theyre fine. So I still don’t see a reason that outweighs the negatives. It’s not like it’s that taboo. There are ins of WW2 movies that do great worldwide every year or two.
Right, but do you think German’s want to watch another movie where “they” are the bad guys? It can maybe be more of a financial success over there if they remove a real black mark on history for a fictitious group that hopefully evokes similar feelings but leaves many more people free from that feeling of being shown again and again that their people allowed Nazism to happen there.
It makes sense to me, plus if it’s Hydra they can do what they want with history without having too many things to have to work around because you could just look up what was going on in Germany within the Nazi party on any given time period, here, there’s no built in history other than what they decide to give them.
Gremany is a pretty small market, and I don’t see a reason why this film has to be the one to draw the line, after Defiance, Valkyrie, Inglorious Basterds, Atonement, etc, all within the past couple of years. I think it’s really a non-issue.
And once you throw the Red Skull into things, I don’t think anyone is going to be questioning the historical accuracy of the Nazi plots. They never have before in Hellboy or Indiana Jones.
My point being: Nazis make for great iconic villains. The public relates and reacts to them, they have a reference point. I think Hydra might come off as silly, a little too G.I. Joe and not enough Indiana Jones. The scene that worries me is watching them on the motorcycles, and when he punches into the submarine. But I’ll only really be bothered if it’s a blatant attempt to avoid showing swastikas, which would be denying a large part of actual history as well as Cap’s history. But if it’s seamless, and done well in the story, I won’t mind. But it worries me. Those sort of (studio) decisions easy mount up to ruin a movie.
One – I didn’t know Truman Capote had anything to do with Cap.
Two – If there are indeed no Nazis in this then that is as stupid as it gets. After all, fighting the Nazis was Captain America’s raison d’être , hence his punching out Hitler on the cover of the first issue.
I guess my point is: Why jeopardize the quality of your whole move (and it’s total gross) to satisfy the tastes of one small market (Germany) that hasn’t stopped other WW2 films from doing well?
I think it makes some sense, regardless whether I agree that Nazi’s are a shorthand villain that require zero amount of work to set them up as bad guys. You already come in knowing that they are the enemy and you don’t have to spend any time villifying them, I understand that. It is a comic book movie though, and maybe they don’t really care one way or the other about Nazism in this decision, but maybe it’s solely so they can set up Hydra throughout the Marvel shared movie universe that can then be an ongoing and probably more believeable ongoing threat up to the modern day. I always get irritated when the villain of the movie in current day is some guy walking around wearing a Nazi uniform and nobody seems to take notice and the Third Reich somehow still has a footing in modern day. I get that Hydra would ultimately turn out the same way, probably, where it would have been nice to show them supporting the Nazi regime so that when it falls, the real masterminds could slink back down and re-emerge sometime later in Soviet Russia during the Cold War or somewhere where they can orchestrate events without being found out. I dunno though. I guess I’m not worried about a comic book movie that’s trying to be a mainstream movie for all ages (give or take I guess) to avoid throwing Nazi’s in the mix, regardless of Cap’s original origin.